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28 February 2007 @ 22:04
Tenimyu lottery? We failed. We'll be trying Loppi on Sunday, I guess.

Also, I had my hair cut today. It looks exactly the same, except shorter. Still, I did have a lovely conversation with my stylist, whose name was Kusuda-san.

I noticed this article, about Trabants, which says they're apparently popular in Romania. I wonder if that's what Chloe really intended when he named his owl?


So let's forget about Tenimyu (for the next three days, anyway!) and talk about Weiss. I'm actually a member of an LJ comm dedicated to pointing out bad WK fic. I always join things like that, just to see if my fics turn up. (I'm also looking out for my friends', but the one time that happened, the person in question spotted it before I did! Still, I wonder what I would do in that situation...) For some strange reason, no one's pointed out that Aya and Mailbox is OMG SO NOT CANON. But, I have to wonder about some of the other "mistakes" the reviewer points out.

Youji is straight.
Nope. All we know is that he loves women. While this certainly rules out gay, there's this whole other area in the middle called 'bisexuality'. I've met plenty of men who talk about women in the same way as Youji and then casually reference their past boyfriend much later. It happens.

Besides, all the boys are designed for us to either pair them up with ourselves or each other. The fanservice isn't accidental, you know.

Omi is not innocent.
Actually, that's the whole point of his character. He's the wide-eyed innocent who just so happens to kill for his father. That's the tragedy of Omi.

Besides, I'm sure there are a few people on my flist who've had sex (hell, even kinky sex!) without having killed someone. Sex and violence go together well in the movies, but they aren't always so linked in real life. It just so happens that our little Omi may well have done the killing without the sexing and may be quite naive about whatever [your pairing of choice] are up to after hours. Creepy.

But it's pornofic logic!
Yes, in a pornfic. Next.

Aya is a cold cold bastard that never shows any emotion. He certainly doesn't care for his team-mates.
I've always thought of Aya as the kind of person that cares very deeply about people but doesn't have a clue how to show it anymore. He visits his sister regularly, never knowing if she'll ever know how much he does for her. He even returns to help his team-mates out on a suicide mission and takes on... machine guns for them, if I remember rightly. He's more of a 'show-not-tell' kind of person, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care. And there's no reason to think that a person will be the same in bed a relationship as they are working in a flower shop or on missions.

Which reminds me. Despite logic, Aya pretty much does save the day in canon. That's Weiss for you. Why be surprised if it happens in fic too?

Schuldig and Crawford are not fluffy bunnies.
Well, we don't really see enough to ever know this. And I stick by what I said about the difference in personality when in mission-mode and in a relationship. Besides, after Esset, they might welcome someone they can trust who shares the same goals. They might not have a ring ceremony, but they could have their somewhat tender moments. Mind you, I think two trained evil killers sleeping side-by-side in a bed is adorable, so perhaps that's where I'm coming from on this one.

This isn't a plea to write the characters my way, but to think about how many different ways there are of writing characters without violating canon.

Willing to hear opposing thoughts on what I wrote too. Anonymous posting is allowed too, if you really must. :)

(This is my new favourite icon, by the way. Even if my Schuldig is pastede on yay.)
菖蒲: нету его в каноне - ну нетуeye_ame on 28th February 2007 14:38 (UTC)
My 2 cents
The user icon is part of a fanart done by one of our best-known yaoi fic writers, so there ;))

Willing to hear opposing thoughts on what I wrote too.
Actually this is 90% a question of how you see it. By default it's easier for me to accept that most characters are straight unless it's explicidly noted they are not -- same goes for real life too, and being a part of gay community myself I do know that most of us human happen to be latently homosexual but only few really are gay. So for Yohji or Ken it seems to me a natural assumption that they are straight. Yet, if the ficwriter can motivate/show why or how they decided to switch from girls, I don't mind :) What makes me wanna protest is when it is already given that an otherwise-straight character is gay. I need explanations ;)
Basically this goes for everything. If the fic is logical (to me) and I can see the background of how the relationship works within the fic itself, I can accept any assumptions that the authors does.

Omi is not innocent.
Basically I do think he is ;) Otherwise why blush so much in the whole Ouka story?..
Williamgenkischuldich on 28th February 2007 14:52 (UTC)
Re: My 2 cents
Your icon? Who's it by? *Wonders about the context*

See, I don't even see the need to 'switch'. Youji could have always had these feelings and decide to act on them any time he likes.

And yeah, I think Omi is innocent. :) All that blushing when Youji suggested he was up all night looking at porn on the internet...!
菖蒲eye_ame on 28th February 2007 14:54 (UTC)
mobius_cannabis. It's the bottom right corner of a yaoi artwork ;)) Unfortunately cannot find it at the moment.
Too shy to ask about the new WSB translation...
Williamgenkischuldich on 28th February 2007 14:58 (UTC)
I'd be curious to see the full version. ^^

It's difficult -- My cat keeps eating the book. If I thought people were waiting for it, I have to confess I'd speed it up. ^^
菖蒲eye_ame on 28th February 2007 15:00 (UTC)
I'll link you if I find it. I believe it's up on WKinRU but my traffic is limited at work so I can't check :\

People ARE waiting for it! I'm speaking on behalf of ten lost souls in the Russian fandom at least!
Williamgenkischuldich on 28th February 2007 15:17 (UTC)
Err... you're kidding right?? I had no idea.
菖蒲eye_ame on 28th February 2007 15:23 (UTC)
Not kidding at all ;)
satsujinken, jeremyboob, daana, dakos, several guys from WKinRu forum and several users of the Russian blog service diary.ru are rising their hands (actually they've already asked me some 50 times whether there are any news from you ;)) -- and I bet there are many more who are just too shy to ask.
Williamgenkischuldich on 28th February 2007 15:25 (UTC)
I'm flattered. I think. :P
菖蒲eye_ame on 28th February 2007 15:28 (UTC)
*puts on her cheerleader uniform* Go Kat Go~
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Williamgenkischuldich on 2nd March 2007 15:04 (UTC)
I feel that the Omi and his lack of innocence is the one where it really is down to interpretation and -- if it came down to it -- my opinion would not rest on her side. Another angle is good, but she's presenting her own views as canon and blasting writers for not following it. (It's interesting that she blasts Mary Sues for being too special-shiny one week and too dull the next, huh?)

Oh, I don't doubt that humbling Aya is good - but if writers don't it's neither a plot point nor something that needs to be explained.
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William: Weiß: OTPgenkischuldich on 2nd March 2007 15:07 (UTC)
They're in love. Koyasu was trying to put in secret hints of Aya's true love into Gluhen. You'll notice that when he "dies" at the end, he clutches it fondly.

O.T.P. *points to icon*

I even have drabbles...
Thomas Vye: Sasori and Deidarathomasvye on 28th February 2007 15:55 (UTC)
Mind you, I think two trained evil killers sleeping side-by-side in a bed is adorable, so perhaps that's where I'm coming from on this one.

Lol. Me too. Hence the reason why Akatsuki always travel in pairs...^_______^

I agree with you; in their private moments, with their special chosen circle of friends, however many or few people that might be, characters can show a different side that they can't afford to display in public. Just because someone is cold, and genuinely so, doesn't mean they won't ever have their moments of warmth.
Williamgenkischuldich on 2nd March 2007 15:13 (UTC)
Naruto...? My knowledge extends about as far as the musical, unfortunately. ^^

I think Crawford had the capability to be a warm person if Esset had let him. I realise I'm utterly alone in this, but private!Crawford makes me melt. ^^
nekojita: wk - blissful mewlingnekojita on 28th February 2007 16:51 (UTC)
I basically agree w/ all of that. Yes, Yohji likes women... but Ken seems to like them, too, so why not insist that Ken is straight? Oh, wait, because then you can't pair him w/ Aya and everyone else....

As you pointed out, there are more than one types of innocence, and I see Omi clinging desperately to the bit he has in hopes of retaining some 'normalacy'. And I've always felt that Aya cares a lot, too, he's just horrid at expressing it. There are times in the anime where it's clear that he's worried about other characters, he just doesn't break down and give them a big hug.

Crawford and Schu (and the rest of Schwartz)... we really don't see much at all about these boys to figure them out when they're not working or tormenting Weiss. The manga seems to lean toward them not being so disfunctional w/ each other, so yeah, I can see them not being total bastards when alone.
William: Weiß: Assassin HQgenkischuldich on 2nd March 2007 15:18 (UTC)
Ken likes women? There was Yuriko, but he's down in my mind as the one who's definitely gay (bi, maybe?). :) It was the whole Kase thing that did it. But I'm not going to scream at anyone who writes him straight.

I... want some high-quality FLUFFY Crawford/Schuldig. I can't help it. Maybe the fact that all the quality writers are writing dark fic about them should give me some kind of clue.
The Devil's handmaiden: pointandlaughseraphim_grace on 28th February 2007 17:19 (UTC)
I had a theory about Chloe and Trabant, that maybe it;s meant to be Brabant as in Lohengrin and they got the wrong word, it makes more sense than it being the world's goofiest car.

There is so much weiss badfic out there without having to point those "errors" out, how about the slew of Mary Sue fics, the cure trauma through sex fics, i could go on ad infinitum
but weiss is wonderfully loosely defined, every time one of us takes the characters we change them, we alter them in our own way so my Aya is not Nekos or yours or anyone elses.
But at the same time I think the writers tend to be more forgiving than the readers, they can see alternate interpretations and perhaps those that just read can't. I mean I write an odd pairing but...
Weiss Canon is a mess, you could have them as fairies skipping along the road to Xanadu without violating canon too much.

Although I am converting someone to Weiss and I mentioned about Yohji's auto erotic asphyixiation problem and she said "so he goes about strangling women while sleeping with them and no one cares?", then shrugged and put it with the other crack things she has learned about Weiss.

I always write Ken as my token straight guy and they tease him about it because he is the token straight and he knows it, my Omi is a house of cards just waiting to collapse, my Nagi is a lost child who just locks himself away, my Aya is fiercly shy and terrified of the amount that he does feel, my Yohji is a martyr to some extent enjoying his own pain, but in the words of Aleister Crowley "an it harm none, do as thou wilt."
Williamgenkischuldich on 2nd March 2007 15:25 (UTC)
Well, I trawled a lot of German dictionaries, trying to find something that matched in sounds (I have no knowlege of the German language bar the part it plays in the history of English and what I could find on Google). It also means "fellow traveller" in German, which is the first meaning I found via Google.

Yeah, I mean if you want to complain about Omi rape fic, go ahead. There's plenty enough to say about that without rambling about Omi's lack of innocence.
strawberryjoy on 1st March 2007 20:28 (UTC)
My twopennorth.

Youji is straight.
I have something of a fondness for het Yohji myself. I’m happy enough to read him in (some) slash pairings but it doesn’t generally add credibility to the story to ignore his relationships with women.

Omi is not innocent. I'm sure there are a few people on my flist who've had sex (hell, even kinky sex!) without having killed someone….
Or vice versa? Actually I rather like the transition from sexually innocent Omi to asexual-is-never-going-to-be-in-a-relationship Glühen Omi. It fits with the general isolation of/damage to the character.

...o reason to think that a person will be the same in bed a relationship as they are working in a flower shop or on missions.
Sadly, it’s just as likely (if not more so) that they will be a lot grumpier once they’ve safely closed their own front door behind them.
Williamgenkischuldich on 2nd March 2007 15:31 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't think Youji is gay -- definitely not. The Asuka thing was definitely real (the newest Asuka? Who knows?). But that doesn't rule out bi, imho.

Vice versa? Precisely the case of Omi, I feel.

They might be. But maybe not... :)